# At what point do you leave a failing country? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [September 5, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375 "2023-09-05T14:07:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1044 "2025-02-04T20:57:11Z")
This is one of the things I miss most about renting an apartment… If I have garbage, I take it to the dumpsters and toss it in. No need to worry about which day is garbage day. Now that I have my own house and we’re not allowed to put the garbage out before 6 am on the day of, I have to remember the night before to pull the garbage bin out so I can put it at the front of the garage so that it’s easy to take out in the morning as my garage is too small to move the bin around my vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1045 "2025-02-04T21:15:31Z")
> [@Fish\_Actuary](#): > > Now that I have my own house and we’re not allowed to put the garbage out before 6 am on the day of, Terrible city or terrible HOA? Asking for a friend. Our whole area takes their cans out the night before. ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1046 "2025-02-04T21:28:12Z")
> [@Fish\_Actuary](#): > > we’re not allowed to put the garbage out before 6 am What?!?! What time do they start picking up? ---
**Author:** ![twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/twig93/32/527_2.png) [@twig93](https://community.goactuary.com/u/twig93)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1047 "2025-02-04T21:32:40Z")
I mean sometimes in my neighborhood they’re picking up at 4:30 AM so obviously this wouldn’t work here, but it seems like that gives you a really narrow window in which to get the trash out. Although two towns over they’re not allowed to put their trash out at the curb AT ALL. The city pays the garbage company extra to have the trash collectors walk up the driveway and drag the bins down to the street, dump them, and then bring them back to the house. The residents don’t want to look at someone else’s trash cans… might offend delicate sensibilities. I wonder how much extra this service costs. I would not think that was a good use of my tax dollars. And of course these are the multi-million dollar homes out in the suburbs, so some of the driveways are quite long. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1048 "2025-02-04T21:35:12Z")
Extremely windy city… Our bins could be miles away or the contents scattered all over the place if left out overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1049 "2025-02-04T21:36:32Z")
It’s a very windy city and the garbage could easily be scattered everywhere! They start picking up at 9 am. The town I grew up in didn’t want the garbage left out overnight as the bears would get into it and make a mess. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 10:21pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1050 "2025-02-04T22:21:21Z")
> [@twig93](#): > > I wonder how much extra this service costs. I would not think that was a good use of my tax dollars. There was an article in the LA Times about ex-Californians moving to Idaho and surprised that they had to haul their garbage to the dump, cuz lower taxes. ---
**Author:** ![AlexioXela](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/alexioxela/32/550_2.png) [@AlexioXela](https://community.goactuary.com/u/AlexioXela)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1051 "2025-02-05T23:28:52Z")
Our city’s pretty windy, that’s why all our bins have straps to strap the lids shut. The bin may blow down the street overnight (they usually don’t, but a couple times a year they do…), but at least all the contents will still be inside if properly strapped. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Fish\_Actuary](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Fish_Actuary)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1052 "2025-02-06T00:08:55Z")
Straps don’t work well with automated bin collection. People used to use fishing nets to keep everything in one place or had various types of corrals to keep garbage cans constrained. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1053 "2025-02-06T00:13:45Z")
In Ottawa, it was the racoons. They made quite a mess as well. ---
**Author:** ![mavvj](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@mavvj](https://community.goactuary.com/u/mavvj)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1054 "2025-02-06T16:30:28Z")
> [@mavvj](#): > > Are we switching this thread to the US now? Bounce - feels that the US is much worse than the UK now, at least until our next election. ---
**Author:** ![Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/maphistos_sidekick/32/84973_2.png) [@Maphistos\_Sidekick](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Maphistos_Sidekick)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1055 "2025-02-06T16:38:53Z")
I’ll take trash pandas over bears any day. ---
**Author:** ![Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/cooke/32/15467_2.png) [@Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Cooke)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1056 "2025-02-06T16:57:56Z")
> [@mavvj](#): > > > [@mavvj](#): > > > > Are we switching this thread to the US now? > > Bounce - feels that the US is much worse than the UK now, at least until our next election. I have always viewed this thread as being about any country for which “the shoe fits”. It was easy to criticize the UK initially but the US now warrants some attention! ---
**Author:** ![Funemployed](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funemployed/32/417_2.png) [@Funemployed](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Funemployed)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1057 "2025-02-06T16:59:08Z")
And we know, it’s all about the feels ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1058 "2025-02-06T17:10:15Z")
> [@Cooke](#): > > It was easy to criticize the UK initially but the US now warrants some attention! I figured Trump would be bad…but he has managed to be much worse than I ever expected. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_polymath/32/83081_2.png) [@The\_Polymath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_Polymath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1059 "2025-02-06T17:13:00Z")
I think you need to take a step back and look at Trump and his behavior in a more objective way. The only reason you don’t seem to really care is that you are a white (male) middle-aged Actuary, who skews conservative and can laugh at things from the sidelines. Thats an easy position to take. Please keep in mind that not everybody will be as lucky as you are. ---
**Author:** ![Mathman](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/mathman/32/14042_2.png) [@Mathman](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Mathman)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1060 "2025-02-06T17:13:04Z")
![The Anti-Trans Moral Panic Has Reached "Bear Patrol" Levels of Absurdity](https://community.goactuary.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/2/32d6b0d0d96448568e9cdb2e5d3f8fd71f06dc9b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/cooke/32/15467_2.png) [@Cooke](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Cooke)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1061 "2025-02-06T17:38:26Z")
> [@The\_Polymath](#): > > I figured Trump would be bad…but he has managed to be much worse than I ever expected. Reminds me of performance reviews where “Exceeds Expectations” is one of the options. Trump gets an EE grade rather than just “Meets Expectations”. ---
**Author:** ![knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/knoath/32/65607_2.png) [@knoath](https://community.goactuary.com/u/knoath)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1062 "2025-02-06T18:10:42Z")
> [@The\_Polymath](#): > > > [@Cooke](#): > > > > It was easy to criticize the UK initially but the US now warrants some attention! > > I figured Trump would be bad…but he has managed to be much worse than I ever expected. I shall become ~~more powerful~~ worse than you can possibly imagine. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iVBX7l2zgRw/maxresdefault.jpg "Ben Kenobi - "If you strike me down..."") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVBX7l2zgRw) ---
**Author:** ![Funemployed](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funemployed/32/417_2.png) [@Funemployed](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Funemployed)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375/1063 "2025-02-06T19:11:48Z")
Oh his behavior is awful, no doubt [Previous page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375.md?page=51) [Next page](https://community.goactuary.com/t/at-what-point-do-you-leave-a-failing-country/8375.md?page=53)