# And now the serious stuff begins **URL:** \ **Category:** Political Topics\ **Created:** [December 2, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382 "2020-12-02T23:02:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EimonGnome](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/eimongnome/32/7572_2.png) [@EimonGnome](https://community.goactuary.com/u/EimonGnome)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/1 "2020-12-02T23:02:18Z")
There is the petty stuff, no doubt. But there is also a darker side to Trumps ranting. My own sense is that he is whipping up the fervor to maximize his “fund raising”, already over $170m for a leadership PAC. Money he can use for just about anything his little heart desires. But I fully expect some folks will get whipped up into murderous fury. State election officials and volunteers are in the cross hairs. He may be in it for the money, but his most ardent followers are in it for vengeance. It always goes this way with far right movements. The extremist, fringe elements get out of control. And the leaders (McConnell, Cruz, Rubio et al) find they cannot control a mob. Dark days ahead. This is going to leave a mark. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/2 "2020-12-02T23:33:19Z")
But, But, ANTIFA on the Left!!! Wouldn’t be so bad if these far-right-wing-nut-jobs weren’t so heavily armed. We still have idiots in my area organizing “Resist the Curfew” and “Newsom Sucks” rallies. ---
**Author:** ![funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funkingded/32/83398_2.png) [@funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/u/funkingded)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/3 "2020-12-03T01:54:43Z")
I agree with your post. Trump’s behavior (and his sycophants’ calls for martial law or violence) may seem comical but it is way too serious for way too many people. Trump has always wanted to have one of his followers kill an elected or high ranking official in his name. Someone he has lashed out against needs to die for opposing Trump. He’s woven language like that into his rhetoric for years. ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/nick_papagiorgio/32/451_2.png) [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Nick_Papagiorgio)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/4 "2020-12-03T11:44:38Z")
> [@funkingded](#): > > Trump has always wanted to have one of his followers kill an elected or high ranking official in his name. I don’t think he wants this at all. The only thing he is doing is trying to avoid having to admit he lost. He is using narcissistic coping mechanisms to maintain the reality that he is perfect in every way to himself. He has no understanding of how he is manipulating his followers, all he knows is that they believe him so the story he has woven is becoming more true to him and that makes him feel good. If someone ends up dead that will just be validation to him that he is right and he will absolutely see no role in it because he isn’t trying to get anyone killed, he just wants to be seen as a winner. It’s pathetic really and it would be sad if it wasn’t so consequential. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/lucy/32/8802_2.png) [@Lucy](https://community.goactuary.com/u/Lucy)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/5 "2020-12-03T13:14:43Z")
> [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](#): > > He has no understanding of how he is manipulating his followers Naw, he’s good at it, and he knows what he is doing. I think funkingded is right, and he would be delighted beyond words if someone murdered an elected official for him. ---
**Author:** ![ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/arthuritas/32/63_2.png) [@ArthurItas](https://community.goactuary.com/u/ArthurItas)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/6 "2020-12-03T14:17:21Z")
I’m of the opinion that with Trump you follow the money. I do think his “recount fund” (that’s really a slush fund as pointed out in the OP) is one last shot at graft on the way out the door. The more he plays up his silly theories, the more money he makes. It also helps set the stage for Trump News Network. In the meantime the We the People Convention suggests Trump “declare limited Martial Law to temporarily suspend the Constitution”. Flynn was calling for this yesterday post pardon. I’d post a link but don’t want to ampllfy their message. You can find it easily enough. ---
**Author:** ![The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/the_president/32/70075_2.png) [@The\_President](https://community.goactuary.com/u/The_President)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/7 "2020-12-03T15:19:44Z")
> [@Nick\_Papagiorgio](#): > > I don’t think he wants this at all. The only thing he is doing is trying to avoid having to admit he lost. Trump has not accepted he has lost. He fully believes that there was fraud against him. He is in the (I’d like to say small) whatever percentage of people out there that truly believes this. He is convinced that Obama was the absolute worst President the country has ever seen, and there is just no way that Obama’s VP could have been elected to replace him. A white supremacist killed a person and he had to be coached in to making a statement against it. There is no chance he feels bad if someone is killed because of his rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/8 "2020-12-03T19:57:29Z")
Hey, you know what will piss off the liberal leftists (environmentalists, specifically)? Let’s sell some drilling rights in a pristine area!! [https://www.npr.org/2020/12/03/942052004/trump-administration-sets-last-minute-oil-lease-sale-for-arctic-wildlife-refuge](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/03/942052004/trump-administration-sets-last-minute-oil-lease-sale-for-arctic-wildlife-refuge) Wonder how much he (and/or family members) was paid for this. 'cause Occam’s Razor. ---
**Author:** ![funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funkingded/32/83398_2.png) [@funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/u/funkingded)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/9 "2020-12-04T22:04:06Z")
He is pulling troops from Somalia. He ordered troop reductions in Iraq and Afghanistan eariler. > **[Trump orders most American troops to leave Somalia](https://apnews.com/trump-orders-most-american-troops-to-leave-somalia-64eb33d761c52c3813e89f3368755834)** > > The Pentagon says President Donald Trump has ordered most of the approximately 700 troops in Somalia to leave the country. Trump replacing all the civilians on the Pentagon advisory board. > **[Trump purges Pentagon advisory board and gives seats to former campaign...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/politics/trump-pentagon-board-lewandowski-bossie/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump has purged a Pentagon business advisory board and replaced its members with his former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager, neither of whom have served in the military or have any apparent experience with the defense... So the question is why? Is it just to hand out favors to loyalists? Is it driven from advice of another world leader? Is it to get inside intelligence that can be used to make money through contracts later? ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/10 "2020-12-04T23:26:44Z")
Follow the money!! I mean, how long will these people be on this advisory board? ---
**Author:** ![funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funkingded/32/83398_2.png) [@funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/u/funkingded)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/11 "2020-12-07T13:52:17Z")
One more parting gift for Pappa Putin, withdrawal from a treaty designed to help foster mutual understanding. > **[Trump’s Dismantling of the ‘Open Skies’ Surveillance Program Is a Priceless...](https://insidesources.com/trumps-dismantling-of-the-open-skies-surveillance-program-is-a-priceless-gift-to-russia/)** > > If Vladimir Putin had only two wishes left for his Russian operative in the White House before the end of his term, the first would be to further erode ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/12 "2020-12-09T01:02:47Z")
This seems more serious than petty, depending on what the ramifications are. [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/climate/biden-transition-trump.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/climate/biden-transition-trump.html) > “The norm is that the political people are not involved in the nuts and bolts of this,” said Michael E. Herz, a professor of administrative law at the Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University. > > He called the Trump administration’s apparent determination to micromanage the transition process by overseeing meetings part of its broader plan to “milk their authority as long as they can and disrupt the new administration as much as they can.” > Federal employees who discussed the transition and asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to speak about the process offered mixed reviews on the presence of political leaders. > > Several said they felt the Trump officials were implicitly intimidating employees from speaking openly about issues awaiting the new administration. Others described the meetings as merely awkward. > > At the Department of Education, one official said Trump appointees had not crashed briefings but said the written briefing materials given to Mr. Biden’s teams “gloss over anything controversial” and described the briefings as “politically influenced.” ---
**Author:** ![funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/funkingded/32/83398_2.png) [@funkingded](https://community.goactuary.com/u/funkingded)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/13 "2020-12-09T01:31:53Z")
I assume there are some adults in the Biden team that are aware they will need to do a complete purge and re-transition once they control the White House. ---
**Author:** ![dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@dr\_t\_non-fan](https://community.goactuary.com/u/dr_t_non-fan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/14 "2020-12-09T21:11:16Z")
AZ, getting even more crazy, calling speaker of the house a traitor. > **[When will Arizona Republicans still irate over the election figure out...](https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/12/09/arizona-republicans-still-irate-over-election-being-played/3865661001/)** > > State Rep. Kelly Townsend and GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward continue whipping up Arizona Republicans. But this is no longer about the election. Editorial Column notes that this is not about 2020. It’s about riling up the base and keeping it that way for 2022/24 elections. Fomenting what could be violence. ---
**Author:** ![EimonGnome](https://community.goactuary.com/user_avatar/community.goactuary.com/eimongnome/32/7572_2.png) [@EimonGnome](https://community.goactuary.com/u/EimonGnome)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.goactuary.com/t/and-now-the-serious-stuff-begins/1382/15 "2020-12-10T14:37:54Z")
Good example of the most toxic threat to democracy, imo. Fundamentally, a rabid group that reject the laws and dead set on creating chaos. Completely out of control, egged on by bit players with no clear objective beyond raising hell. They are just plain angry with “the system”. Determined to bring it crashing down. Shockingly comparable to violent anarchists. These are not conservatives in any meaningful sense of the term.