Alec Baldwin shoots two, one dead, while filming

Somebody is dead, and another is seriously injured in a workplace accident that was ultimately caused by somebody else being stupid, careless, or incompetent.

I’m vaccinated and I don’t like Trump. My opinions are not based on my being overtly conservative, right wing bigot. I just don’t like Alec Baldwin. I think he’s a jerk. I will be interested to see if he get’s any legal responsibility here.

But you know, celebrities are seldom held responsible for their crimes. Vince Neil killed a guy and only did 15 days in jail. Matthew Broderick killed 2 women, and he paid a fine of less than $100 each. Caitlyn Jenner, Venus Williams both had fatal car accidents too.

I have grown up ‘near’ guns. I don’t say ‘around’ guns because my dad nor I ever owned guns. But 3 of my bil’s had guns and took me hunting before I was required to have had hunters safety. I never got a hunting license but have gone hunting with family and friends, not holding or shooting the guns. I have gone shooting with scouts as both a scout and an advisor and my sil is in the AF and a big gun guy and we have been out shooting.

One thing I have always seen done and done myself, is if the shooter didn’t load the gun or see the gun being loaded, after being handed the gun, the shooter always checked the load status of the gun. The shooter never assumed that load status of the gun simply by being told by someone else.

It is unfortunate this isn’t SOP for most people. It doesn’t take much to check a firearm to verify whether it is loaded or what it is loaded with.

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Totally, just very basic gun safety.

Now in Hollywood… maybe the actor portraying the bad-ass gunslinger is not actually much of a gun-slinger himself. But there should be a gun expert on set who is responsible for the guns and checking them moments before they are handed to the actor(s) using them.

And I would think any actors who are also competent shooters would WANT to re-check the gun themselves.

I am NOT a gun expert, but I have both friends and relatives who are. And I know a little and I have some sense what I don’t know.

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The problem with low budget films. They probably don’t do any gun training or enough in the way of gun safety training. Just watch as they rehearse and try to help them hold the gun properly so they don’t look too stupid in the final product.

The actor handling the gun should also observe the gun expert when the gun is checked.

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Alec pointed a gun (prop or not) at someone and pulled the trigger.

To be fair, that’s a pretty normal, non-criminal thing for someone in his profession to do.

Maybe it shouldn’t be. Maybe Hollywood needs to rethink how gun battles are produced and shot… using remotely operated cameras and CGI so that no one (actor or crew) is ever in the position of having a gun pointed at them.

But for the last 100 years that’s pretty much been SOP for Hollywood. To me, the fact that he did the same thing as other Hollywood actors have been doing for a century is uninteresting.

What is interesting to me is:

  1. What was going on at the set of Rust to make this particular movie materially less safe than other 21st century movies depicting at least somewhat realistic-looking gun fights?

  2. How should Hollywood change to make this sort of issue a thing of the past?

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Easy.

  1. Alec Baldwin was cutting corners, hired an inexperienced gun wrangler to save a buck or three, and tragedy ensued.
  2. Start by putting Alec Baldwin in prison.

I could see her being hired because 1) while she wasn’t very experienced, it wasn’t her first job 2) she was the daughter of apparently the most respected gun wrangler in the business and there might be some assumption that she had learned from the best.

It would be interesting to know if the best in the business had recommended her.

LA Times today had an article on a prop guy who turned down the offer to wrangle guns:

In case you don’t have access:

Neal W. Zoromski has spent three decades in Hollywood, working on movies big and small, but never on a western. So he was thrilled last month when he was asked to join the crew of an Alec Baldwin film in New Mexico.

The veteran prop master immediately told “Rust” production managers that he was interested in the job that would give him responsibility for the accoutrements of the Old West. Pistols, rifles, wagons, saddles and flour sacks were needed to re-create 1880s Kansas for Baldwin, who was playing a grizzled outlaw named Harland Rust.

But during four days of informal discussions with film managers, Zoromski said he got a “bad feeling.”

“There were massive red flags,” he said in an interview Sunday with The Times.

He said he felt that “Rust” was too much of a slapdash production, one with an overriding focus on saving money instead of a concern for people’s safety. Production managers didn’t seem to value experience and were brushing off his questions, he said.

Zoromski ultimately told “Rust” production managers that he would take a pass.

“After I pressed ‘send’ on that last email, I felt, in the pit of my stomach: ‘That is an accident waiting to happen,’” he said.

Last Thursday, Baldwin fatally shot 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the chest with a prop gun while rehearsing a gunfight scene inside a wooden church at the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set near Santa Fe, N.M.

Baldwin, who also is a producer on the film, was practicing removing his revolver from its holster and aiming it toward the camera. “Rust” director Joel Souza, who also was injured, told a Santa Fe County Sheriff’s detective that he heard “what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop.

Hutchins, a rising star in the industry, crumpled over, and fellow crew members struggled to treat her wound. She was later airlifted about 50 miles away to an Albuquerque hospital, where she was pronounced dead. She left behind a husband and 9-year-old son.

Production has been shut down, and Santa Fe County Sheriff’s deputies and the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety Bureau are investigating the accident.

Tensions were boiling on set. On Thursday, the 12th day of a 21-day production, union camera operators and their assistants had walked off the job to protest working conditions. Nonunion camera operators were brought in, and the switch put the director behind schedule. The assistant director had yelled at the script supervisor during lunch, according to a copy of the 911 recording.

Days earlier, a camera operator had reported two accidental gun discharges during a rehearsal in a cabin. “This is super unsafe,” the camera operator wrote in a text message to the production manager, The Times reported Friday.

The tragedy occurred amid a boisterous debate within Zoromski’s union, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, over whether to go on strike to seek better pay and improved conditions on film and TV sets.

The “Rust” producers late last week released a statement: “The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company. Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”

Now, Zoromski, who lives in Los Angeles, is haunted by Hutchins’ death. He believes that had he accepted the “Rust” job, things would have turned out differently.

“I take my job incredibly seriously,” he said. “As the prop master, you have to be concerned about safety. I’m the guy who hands the guns to the people on set.”

Zoromski, 57, didn’t grow up wanting to be in the movie business. Born in New Zealand, he traveled around the world with his adopted parents before moving, at age 5, with his mother to Rhode Island. He graduated from Boston College with a biochemistry degree.

He had planned a career in the pharmaceutical industry, but he was in need of a job. He worked at a restaurant in L.A., in retail, and then at a cutthroat commercial real estate brokerage on the West Side.

Finally, a friend steered him to Roger Corman’s B-movie studio, where he was hired to work as an art department assistant. His first day on the job, he was sent to a horse barn where they were shooting the 1990 film “The Haunting of Morella.” The barn was dilapidated, and tiny cracks between wall timbers allowed sunlight to seep in and ruin the camera lighting.

An art director ordered Zoromski to stuff hay into the cracks to block out the sun. He spent the day meticulously gluing hay strands to fill the seams between the boards. The art director was impressed with his diligence, and he was hired.

Zoromski then worked on TV movies and music videos with Paula Abdul, Madonna and Guns N’ Roses before moving to feature films.

He’s worked on several major productions, including in the props department on Roland Emmerich’s 2004 “Day After Tomorrow,” with Jake Gyllenhaal and Dennis Quaid. He was prop master for Jason Reitman’s 2005 film, “Thank You for Smoking.”

It was 9 p.m. Sept. 20 when the “Rust” production manager, Row Walters, reached out to see if Zoromski was interested in becoming the props master for the film. An hour later, Zoromski replied via email that he was “very interested.” The two sides engaged in conversations throughout that week.

But Zoromski later changed his mind, citing several concerns.

He said he felt that “Rust” production managers were being “evasive” when he asked about specific terms of his potential employment. The budget, estimated at about $7 million, seemed too small for the type of film the producers were attempting to make. He couldn’t get an answer on the budget for his “kit,” industry jargon for his cache of props needed to stock the set.

He said he also became alarmed because it was just two weeks before “Rust” was set to begin filming in New Mexico and the producers hadn’t yet hired a prop master. Typically, those decisions are made weeks, even months, before the cameras roll.

“In the movies, the prep is everything. …You also need time to clean, inspect and repair guns,” he said. “You need time to fix old clocks. In period films, you are sometimes using antiques. But here, there was absolutely no time to prepare, and that gave me a bad feeling.”

And the deal breaker?

Zoromski said he initially asked for a department of five technicians. He was told that “Rust” was a low-budget production and that plans were to use items from a local prop house. He modified his request to have at least two experienced crew members: one to serve as an assistant prop master and the other as an armorer, or gun wrangler, dedicated to making sure the weapons were safe, oiled and functioning properly.

But the “Rust” producers insisted that only one person was needed to handle both tasks.

“You never have a prop assistant double as the armorer,” Zoromski said. “Those are two really big jobs.”

Walters, the production manager, sent Zoromski an email Sept. 24 that read: “We’d really like one of the assistants to be the armorer that can push up on the gunfights and heavy armor days,” according to a copy of the email shared with The Times. (Walters did not respond to requests for comment.)

Zoromski replied: “Unfortunately, I have to pass on this opportunity. I am grateful for your interest and wish nothing but the very best for you, your crew and the show.”

Three days later, 24-year-old Hannah Gutierrez-Reed announced on Facebook that she had a new gig on a film in Santa Fe, according to a screen shot of a recent social media post, which was shared with The Times. She’d landed the job as the “property key assistant/armorer” on “Rust,” according to the production notes.

Now, questions are being raised about Gutierrez-Reed’s experience and her performance on the job. Gutierrez-Reed had worked as head armorer on only one other production before “Rust.”

According to search warrants, she left three weapons on a rolling cart outside the church setting at midday Thursday. Souza, the film’s director, told a Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office investigator that multiple people had been handling the guns and that he wasn’t sure whether anyone had checked them for safety after the group came back from lunch.

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We I think we all knew something like this would be coming. Don Jr.

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That shirt is hysterical.

I will add that there is precedent for arresting and prosecuting film makers for accidental deaths during filming. John Landis (of Thriller fame) was prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter for the deaths of Vic Morrow and two child actors for a special effects & helicopter accident on the set of the Twilight Zone movie. Alas, Landis had OJ-level lawyers and was acquitted.

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CNN is reporting that crew members were out plinking with the guns used in this movie that morning. JFC.

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Oh, great. Real bullets! You’re in big trouble mister.

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“He quit college his junior year and said he wanted to join the family business.”
“But you’re a medical doctor.”
“I told him that. He just said ‘It’s all about who you know.’”

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Yeah, I’m much less sympathetic to Alec Baldwin due to his role as a producer of the movie where they were obviously cutting a lot of corners.

If his only level of involvement was as the actor who fired the gun then I’d be hugely sympathetic. But the details are pretty damning for the producers.

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I’m thinking this might need to be codified into law. I guess at the state level?

Maybe even specify “one armorer for every X guns” since I’m assuming that something like an epic battle scene might have so many guns that you need more than one.

I mean, maybe most of those are non-working replicas, but still, you’ve got to keep the non-working ones separate from the real ones… so maybe “one armorer for every X total guns or every Y non-working guns”, where you allow for Y > X (since there would be less to do with non-working guns… just make sure they’re properly segregated from the working ones. But no need to oil and clean and manage rounds).

That’s the challenge - which state law would apply? Would it be the state where it’s filmed or CA law? Movie crews would have an easier time writing that into the union contract.